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Absolute Pitch Education
Share your experiences with the Taneda and Fletcher methods.
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SteveA
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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Location: Amsterdam, NL
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 Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject: Different kinds of fluency in a second language |
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This is from Chris' phase 17.
| Quote: | In short, I find it unlikely that color or pitch categories are formed by perceptual discrimination and differentiation alone. The general effects of language labels on categorical perception make me suspect that this is an issue of concept formation. What's traditionally been done in attempts to train absolute pitch is to present you with a sensory input (a sound vibration) and try to make you remember it somehow. But what if the necessary process is to form an independent concept and then match that concept with an available stimulus? So rather than seeing a bajillion different types of green colors and (eventually) figuring out that these are all "green", what if the color-category concept of "green" were learned, and all subsequent input served to reinforce and expand that already-existing intellectual concept?
That is-- to gain categorical absolute pitch, maybe we don't need to learn how to name notes. Maybe we need to learn, conceptually, what the names mean. |
This makes me think of learning a foreign language, and how my school French teacher warned against looking up a word in an English-French dictionary to use it in a French sentence. And the difference between how it feels to hear a foreign word and understand it directly, and how it feels to hear a foreign word, know its equivalent in English, and then understand that.
The reference-tone quasi-absolute pitch seems to me like speaking a foreign language but always thinking in English. True absolute pitch is like speaking a language by thinking in that language, and not translating it through an intermediate language to understand it.
I know people who have become very able to speak and converse and read a foreign language while still speaking in English. But, I don't think they read poetry in that language. |
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lorelei
Joined: 20 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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If AP is like speaking in a foreign language and not thinking in "English," what would the native language be? To me, AP is not like speaking a language, it's more like having color vision vs. being colorblind.
Btw, I'm bilingual, so I speak English and Finnish, but I'm also learning Chinese. I can think in English and Finnish but with Chinese it's kind of like what you said about looking up a word in the English-French dictionary. |
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aruffo
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| If music is a language, I'd say it communicates emotional ideas, which are different from those conveyed by words. (I wrote about this somewhere else...) |
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